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the oldest

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and strongest human emotion is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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is trepidation of young when we were

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our parents told us that monsters didn't

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon strickler join me as i

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examine

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unexplained creatures strange

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manifestations of remarkable realities

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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uh quick note tonight um you know arcane

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now tonight i welcome author

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cryptid researcher you ufologist

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nick redfern to arcane radio assault

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after speaker

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nick is a respected full-time author and

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journalist specializing

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in a wide range of unsolved mysteries

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including

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bigfoot the loch ness monster ufo

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sightings government conspiracies

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alien abductions and paranormal

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phenomena

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his most recent title is the martians

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evidence of life

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on the red planet and as well as he told

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me

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earlier his newest book diaries

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secrets will be released tomorrow and

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we'll talk a bit about that

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uh nick appears on the lecture circuit

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in the u.s

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and the uk and overseas and has appeared

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in internationally syndicated shows

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discussing the ufo phenomena

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so uh nick thanks for coming on this

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well thanks for having me on the show

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again it's always good to talk to you

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and catch up with you

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um let's mention you've got this

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new book coming out tomorrow titled

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diary of secrets

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kind of give us a thumbnail what it's

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about and uh

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you you told me about it earlier it it

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it sounds like

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something i want to really read so uh

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and it's an interesting

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subject so why don't you let's talk

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yeah sure well hopefully hopefully

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fingers crossed it'll be up on and

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tomorrow night

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uh sometimes it takes a little bit maybe

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at the very latest it should be i would

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say monday morning at the very very

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and it's called dark secrets and um some

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might have heard this story or know of

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which got to the 1990s um

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about the the theory that marilyn

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was murdered because of what she knew

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about ufos

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from the kennedy brothers and uh it's a

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controversial story

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and it began as i said in the 1990s

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um with this intriguing document

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that um a cia document

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um talking about uh wiretaps and

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phone calls and her speaking to

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journalists and that she's gonna blow

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what she knows about ufos etc etc

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now the question is you know is the

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um or is it a sophisticated hope or

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what i've done is to back to the story

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which as i said started in the 90s but

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um it was kind of an an enigma because

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no one ever has ever come

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forward claiming you know like a kind of

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or a prank no one's ever tried to make

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it and it was it was basically handed

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over um to a guy named timothy cooper

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ufo reester um from what you would call

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and um and it kind of went away for a

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of the whole story and that's what i've

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like hitting the road and interviewing

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know i was marilyn killed

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because of what she knew about ufos

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as i said it should be out in um two

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three nights at the most and um

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and that's the story it's sort of

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but um you know intriguing story as well

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um the idea of politics

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and government secrecy um crossing over

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you know um and i know you did write a

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book about the

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kennedy assassination some time back and

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you know i i'm wondering if uh

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if she actually did know some

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some deep dark secrets about the

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government and some of the things

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military and such

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may have maybe contributed to why

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kennedy was shot what's your thoughts on

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oh well i mean you know in terms of

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i mean you know she really did keep this

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diary you know that had

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a bunch of material in there um

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about the kennedys we know from people

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there was writing in there things that

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the kennedys had told her

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about for example plans to eat

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cuba and to assassinate fidel castro

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things like that

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so in other words in a very precarious

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government secrecies uh you know things

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like that and so

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then you you then you've got the

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situation she died or was murdered in

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then the following year you know jfk

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is murdered um you know then robert

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and that's one of the book

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the sheer number of people who just get

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they basically get whack and um

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and many of them have ties to the uf

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subject in various ways so

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um and again you know that sort of dare

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to the sheer extent um to

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go to to hide you know the the real

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um ufo secrets

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well anyway i i'm never going to read

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that because that that sounds

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interesting i i've always been intrigued

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the possible connection of the kennedys

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with some of the

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uh secrets involved with the government

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so uh that that might that should be a

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very interesting book

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now the book you wrote entitled the

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martians

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i i do have one real quick question for

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you about that

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does um what are your thoughts on

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roswell do you believe

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that it actually occurred

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or or do you believe it was a weather

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balloon i know you you

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mentioned mac tony's throughout the book

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uh do you kind of subscribe to what his

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theories i mean

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one of the big problems with roswell is

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so many different theories uh you know

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the air force's explanation which is

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mogul balloons were just to monitor for

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atomic weapon you know like in post-war

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of like this had an intriguing theory

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you know the idea of an

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ancient race which he called the [\h__\h]

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restrictions the idea that there could

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that they were sort of an ancient uh

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race of humans

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um living on our planet uh

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but masquerading as extraterrestrials so

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we wouldn't find

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out who they really were until

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they crashed at roswell um but

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from my perspective i mean i do books on

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roswell and

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all i i believe that you know the

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event um and

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i'm 100 sure that he had nothing to do

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with balloons or crash test dummies or

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weather balloons

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but i do i don't think your terrestrial

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events

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my take on it is that if you look at

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that period and what was going on in new

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you know a lot of german scientists were

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being brought over

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at the end world war um through this top

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secret program called operation

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paperclip

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a lot of bizarre um high altitude

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experiments were being undertaken

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on human guinea pigs um just determine

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the effects of high altitude exposure

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known too much about it at that time and

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personal view is i think with

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extraterrestrials my view is that we're

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dealing with

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some very sort of dark and disturbing

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human experimentation um in the

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sort of um the stratosphere and um

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things like that

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now a lot of people probably don't want

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to hear that they want to hear about

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adam's but the more

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i've looked into it the more i've come

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um suspect we're talking about some sort

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of kind of grim

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and grisly experiments using people in

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these um

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high level altitude flights that went

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and of course you've got the um the

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theory that it could have been sort of

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like a russian spy plane that crashed

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and um

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and america wanted to ask me to sort of

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pick up the pieces and see how advanced

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they were

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you know um and hid the story behind a

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a flying source of story you know to

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keep people away from

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another story so in other words you know

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there are a lot of

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um a lot of difference now clearly

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they can't all be correct unless you

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kind of

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you know buy into like name travel

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timelines you know multiple timelines

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which

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gets things even more complicated

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but um but but yeah you know it's one of

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these situations

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where there's no doubt in my mind

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something

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weird and sinister happened and we can

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well you know i um you know

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after reading the book i i kind of gotta

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i gotta

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ask you this as well what connections

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other than i don't know in ufology or

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folklore possibly do humans actually

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have with

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with mars i mean do you believe there is

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a an actual physical connection

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between humans on earth and possibly

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humans that may have been

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or some type of evolved species that may

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have been there at

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you know millions of millions of years

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ago

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yeah i actually do um believe there is a

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connection between

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the earth and and um

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one of the things about mars that

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fascinates me

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is the nature of the planet itself you

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know the pictures that are coming back

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um from nasa and uh

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and this is one of the most for me the

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most important things

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um which i always always stress is that

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you know when you look at some of these

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pictures that look really weird

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you know they seem to show images of

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in some cases what look like weird

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animals and

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carb structures we have to remember you

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know

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these aren't sort of um questionable

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pictures

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come back from nasa

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now if you look at some of these

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pictures where they

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you know they do seem to show images

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of what what looked like pyramids but

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obviously you know very

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damaged and pulverized over probably

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hundreds of thousands of years

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um and everybody's heard

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you know of this on mars um

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which is a famous image and of course

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you have some people say

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well this is just you know like a case

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of seeing you know a face of a dogging

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cloud of thing do you know um

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but there's actually another one a lot

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of people don't

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know about it's known as the crowned

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face

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now if you google it go to google

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pictures

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and just look on nasa

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crowned face mars you'll see

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a pitch i would actually was go i would

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go as far as

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say it's it's stunning um it has

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it's called the crowned um king because

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it kind of looks like a crowned head

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with eyes pupils nose

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uh with two nostrils a mouth with lips

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and almost like a dimple in the chin

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which sounds

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bizarre but if you look at that picture

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the uh

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and excuse me if you look at that

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picture the the crown

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face um you see

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how almost in

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he almost looks like as if it's been

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sculpted

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and another image that's come back

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from mars well totally different thing

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but important as well

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anybody who's watched the um the uh

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aliens movies with sigourney weaver

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uh and you've got the the face huggers

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well

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there's a photograph that came back from

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nasa

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which shows something eerily like one of

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those face huggers

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crawling up the side of a um

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[Music]

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it looks like it's actually on the side

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of a little cavern or a cave

404
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now if you look at the picture it's very

405
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difficult

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to deny it's not a a living preacher

407
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and and again if you if you google

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um google images and

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type in um facehugger mars

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um at nasa you'll see this picture of

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this thing

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which looks like it's got sort of eight

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limbs and this rounded body

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crawling up the side of a wall now

415
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the skeptics have said well there's no

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way there could be like sort of five or

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six

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you know four tall long crab-like

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spidery things crawling around mars

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but if you look at the picture it's

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difficult

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to just to understand what else it could

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be you know it doesn't look anything

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like it does look like some sort of

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spidery thing now that's just

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two photos of many and um

427
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and for me you know again the important

428
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thing that these are not

429
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um photographs that have you know been

430
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touched up

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00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:27,919
by some kid in basement you know these

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are legitimate nasa

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photographs and um another

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important aspect which um

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makes me believe that there is

436
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significant significance

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00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:44,480
um you know things on mars in the

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distant past

439
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and the reason why i say that is because

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in um 1984 something we didn't know

441
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until years later

442
00:19:02,150 --> 00:18:58,880
was that the cia initiated

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a remote viewing program

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to um essentially remote view

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mars itself and they had several

446
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:13,200
remote views um focusing their minds

447
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on mars and a number of them said they

448
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:18,480
could see

449
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uh mars in a state of turmoil with this

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with the

451
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atmosphere on fire and

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gigantic earthquakes and um

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and the the landscape would have just

454
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been turmoil and being destroyed

455
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and but also seeing these

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most eerily human-like um

457
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:42,799
beings fleeing for their lives as well

458
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:43,200
like

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you would call real martians but what's

460
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:47,360
intriguing

461
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:50,240
the the cia documentation that comes

462
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:51,039
back

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00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:54,000
um the remote viewers said that the they

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looked

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almost identical to us but they were

466
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much taller sort of like 12 to 13

467
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:04,000
14 feet tall you know so

468
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:06,559
apart from the gigantic side you know

469
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:07,440
they

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00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:10,480
reportedly weren't that different you

471
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:11,840
know to us

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00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:14,640
um and as i said the important thing

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00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:15,360
here

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00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:18,159
is that in the same way that nasa you

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00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:20,320
know is an agency of the government

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00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:23,600
so is this ia and both of them you know

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have brought back

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00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:28,159
this incredible data and uh

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and but the big question of course is

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why is it

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that the cia felt there was a

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a need or a reason um to

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00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:41,360
remote view mars into this place

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00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:44,559
that makes me think they knew already

485
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:48,080
there was something going on now

486
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:50,320
unfortunately i don't think we're in a

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situation

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where um talking about

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00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:58,720
um mars you know being

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00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:02,480
a vibrant world as it's you know as it

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could have been

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like our world once you know hundreds of

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thousands of years ago

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and i think you know we are really

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looking at a world

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that was sort of you know just

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devastated

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but there's a you know if you put the

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devastation to lead

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uh i still think there's enough to show

501
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that

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um you know there was once

503
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possibly even something not dissimilar

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00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:30,400
to our world

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00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:33,360
now one of the most intriguing things of

506
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,159
course

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where you've got that crowned face and

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the face tonight

509
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,919
there's actually another one that's very

510
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:41,679
similar as well

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what's particularly noticeable is they

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you know the carvings if they are

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carvings and i do believe they are

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and what i've concluded

515
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is that obviously the you know

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the important thing is that these

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00:22:03,029 --> 00:21:59,760
carvings

518
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:03,039
shut present them as almost like a huge

519
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:04,000
case

520
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,280
so maybe you know we're looking at

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00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,480
a martian race like the cia said when

522
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they're doing their remote viewing

523
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:15,440
you know we're looking at a a martian

524
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,720
um civilization very um

525
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:20,960
similar to us in terms of appearance but

526
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:22,000
much much

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00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:25,760
bigger color um or possibly as uh

528
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:28,799
mac tony who we mentioned earlier mac

529
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:32,080
wounded if they were actually um sort of

530
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:33,200
visiting

531
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:37,919
um space um civilizations that came to

532
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mars

533
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:41,919
and possibly even um

534
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,559
settled there but we're actually not the

535
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:45,840
original

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00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,640
you know sort of martians on the surface

537
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:50,240
of mars there's a lot of different

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00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,280
theories

539
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:53,679
as to what's going on you know in

540
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,039
relation to

541
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,760
um to all of this and um and in terms of

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00:23:02,230 --> 00:22:59,840
the remote viewing i mean this is still

543
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:02,240
going on i don't know if it's still

544
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,000
going on with the cia

545
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:06,080
but one of the people i inter

546
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,440
interviewed for my book

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00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:10,080
a friend of mine kimberly rackley uh

548
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:10,799
kimberly

549
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,080
is a very skilled remote viewer and

550
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,080
she's done a lot of work over the

551
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,799
decades and she came up with some very

552
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:19,919
similar

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00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:24,000
beta to the cia's um

554
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:28,080
material and again it was all revolved

555
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,640
around

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00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:31,039
catastrophe and sort of the apocalypse

557
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:32,480
and you know

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00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:35,919
um the atmosphere on fire now whether it

559
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,400
was some sort of nuclear war

560
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,799
or you know like a natural disaster like

561
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,559
meteorites slamming into

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00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,799
into mars that kind of thing we don't

563
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,080
know

564
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:48,960
um for me you put all this together and

565
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:50,720
i think you know the

566
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:53,600
the tragic side of it is that we've lost

567
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:54,480
the truth

568
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:58,640
of you know this ancient civilization

569
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:01,760
and just with a few

570
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,880
you know um remnants left and i

571
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:07,440
in the book i kind of make a parallel

572
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:08,640
you know with the uh

573
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:11,440
the first planets of the apes movie you

574
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:12,000
know

575
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,480
um and obviously it's a bit of a

576
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:22,080
different situation

577
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:25,039
but you know you've got this world that

578
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,400
is destroyed

579
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:29,039
and yet there are remnants and rumors

580
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:30,559
and legends

581
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,600
of an ancient race that once existed

582
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:35,120
in the distant past and of course in

583
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:36,640
planets of the apes you know you know

584
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:36,960
that

585
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,679
we all know the story um and i think

586
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:41,360
perhaps something like that

587
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,559
happened with mars something

588
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,720
you know led to massive planet-wide

589
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:48,080
destruction

590
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:51,120
and we all we've got left now is

591
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:54,480
are the photographs and and just trying

592
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:55,679
to put together

593
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,080
you know the remnants of the left

594
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,720
is intriguing uh you know especially the

595
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:04,159
fact that

596
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:08,400
we are exploring mars much more now

597
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,960
hopefully there will be some type of

598
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:12,559
manned mission there

599
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:15,919
in the not so distant future uh

600
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,840
when it does get to that point i think

601
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:19,760
we're gonna learn a lot more hopefully

602
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:21,520
we're gonna learn a lot more

603
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:24,320
um you know it's it's interesting first

604
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:24,799
of all

605
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:29,039
i actually read two articles about mars

606
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:32,799
today quite frankly and um

607
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:35,520
they uh these scientists are actually

608
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,000
saying

609
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:39,120
now that they believe that

610
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,880
mars is still seismic active

611
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,960
uh that there are actually volcanoes

612
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:46,400
that may be

613
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:51,120
uh still living you know

614
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,149
well yeah i mean this is one of the

615
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:01,919
interesting things about

616
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,279
mars because um it is it is pretty

617
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,320
much apart from our world um you know it

618
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:09,600
is actually

619
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:12,640
not a dead world you know

620
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,159
right um and by that i mean for example

621
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,080
you know we we know that on mars there's

622
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:20,640
a huge amount of water

623
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:24,320
now some of it is in regular water

624
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:27,679
um some is in ice and

625
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,200
and some you know is in vapor um

626
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:34,400
but you know we have this vast amounts

627
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:37,919
of um you know sort of watering burying

628
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,720
wet

629
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:41,039
on mars and of course you know what's

630
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,000
the one thing that

631
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:45,039
none of us on the planet can do without

632
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,400
that's water so you know that

633
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,880
the most important commodity to the

634
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:52,559
lives of everything

635
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,400
you know from from a dog and a cat to us

636
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,640
you know and every animal on the planet

637
00:27:05,830 --> 00:26:59,760
as well

638
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,840
we're not just talking about water we're

639
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:06,960
talking about

640
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,080
uh vegetation as well

641
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:13,360
um for example again do a

642
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:16,640
google image search on

643
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:21,200
mars banyan tree which is b-a-n-y-a-n

644
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:24,480
if you do a google image um banyan tree

645
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:25,440
and mars

646
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:28,960
you'll see these um overhead photographs

647
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:32,000
taken by one of the um

648
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:35,679
one of nasa's craft and it shows

649
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:39,279
jesus what look almost eerily like

650
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:42,640
bushes and trees now they don't kind of

651
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,520
look like

652
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,440
the bushes and trees you would find on

653
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,000
earth but you wouldn't expect to you

654
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,240
know if they were sort of um

655
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:52,559
you know they grew on mars you wouldn't

656
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:55,279
expect them to look exactly like uh

657
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,440
trees and bushes um now

658
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,080
nasa dismisses away you know these

659
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,159
images they don't deny

660
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,720
their pictures um you know they're happy

661
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,640
to say yeah these pictures

662
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:11,279
we took them but we think they're ice

663
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,320
particles

664
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:15,440
but if you look at these pictures to me

665
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:16,159
they they

666
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,919
don't look like um ice particles

667
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,320
they look like cheese um you know it

668
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:23,840
kind of looks like somebody

669
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:26,880
as you know flying over arizona out of

670
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:27,279
the

671
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:34,240
and and taking a picture you know from

672
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:35,520
um

673
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,840
500 feet or whatever that's what these

674
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:39,600
pictures look like

675
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:42,240
so for me you know when you've got the

676
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:43,120
issue of

677
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:47,039
ice and and you know flowing water as

678
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:47,760
well

679
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:52,960
and you've got bushes and trees um

680
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,679
and that and you put all that together

681
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,000
and these structures and things like

682
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,120
the facehugger there's no planet

683
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:03,919
on the earth so far as we know but has

684
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:04,320
come

685
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,480
back with so much bizarre photography

686
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,640
and that that's an important thing you

687
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,240
know if you look at pictures say for

688
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:14,399
example of mercury

689
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,840
you know venus um things like that

690
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:20,240
there's none of those planets really

691
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,080
have the kind of anomalies

692
00:29:27,530 --> 00:29:24,960
that we do have on mars and that's an

693
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,540
important thing to know

694
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:28,960
[Music]

695
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:32,240
you know i also read something today

696
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:36,480
which i think is bizarre anyway but

697
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:40,159
apparently verner von braun who was

698
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:44,240
the uh the german scientist who

699
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,440
basically took over nasa and and

700
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:48,960
designed the saturn v

701
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,760
rocket and and got us to the moon quite

702
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:53,039
frankly

703
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:56,720
uh he had written and i didn't know this

704
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,039
he

705
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:00,320
had written a fictional

706
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:05,200
story back in the early 1950s

707
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:08,480
and in that story in that

708
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:12,080
book the individual who

709
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:15,440
helped to get humans to mars

710
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:22,399
was named elon have you ever heard that

711
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:25,440
eli um elon like

712
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:34,389
who sorry like

713
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:37,520
it was e-l-o-n like elon

714
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:40,720
musk in this story that vern verner von

715
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:41,279
braun

716
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,710
yes yeah i know exactly what you're

717
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:49,279
talking about yeah yeah

718
00:31:03,029 --> 00:30:53,360
well actually what's going on with

719
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,669
hello yeah go ahead go ahead nick

720
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,760
okay yeah i was just going to say that

721
00:31:13,149 --> 00:31:10,880
um

722
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:13,159
there was actually a lot going on in the

723
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:14,480
1950s

724
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:18,000
um in relation to mars

725
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:21,039
um this gets kind of gets sort of really

726
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:21,919
weird

727
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:25,279
um that's jack kirby one of the

728
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:28,399
sort of most famous comic book artists

729
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:29,360
of

730
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:33,200
the 20th century um he actually

731
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:37,679
wrote a um a story for a comic book

732
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:40,480
uh called the face on mars uh that's

733
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,919
literally what it was called the face on

734
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,960
mars

735
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,880
and and again you know you can google

736
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,159
that and find the

737
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:48,880
extracts uh from you know where people

738
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:49,360
have

739
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:53,760
from the comic book

740
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:57,919
and um and it looks very much like

741
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:00,720
the the so-called face on mars that um

742
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:03,919
that was found in 1976 when uh

743
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,480
when nasa photographed it and of course

744
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:07,840
the big question is

745
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:10,480
is this just some sort of bizarre

746
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:11,840
coincidence

747
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:16,000
you know the idea that in 1976

748
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:18,799
you know that um nasa found this

749
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:20,960
so-called face on mars

750
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:24,000
and yet 20 years earlier there was a

751
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,120
comic book called

752
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:27,840
the face on mars and what you have in

753
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:30,080
that story are these astronauts

754
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:34,480
climbing um on this gigantic

755
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:37,519
um sculptured um

756
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,440
human-like face and of course this has

757
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:43,120
given rise to the theory

758
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:45,440
did jack kirby have some inside

759
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:46,880
information

760
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,519
that perhaps the government you already

761
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,760
knew back in the 50s that something was

762
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:52,880
going on

763
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,480
on mars and one of the theories is

764
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:58,240
that perhaps they put the story out

765
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:59,760
there to

766
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,080
to see how people kind of responded you

767
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:03,919
know what would be the vibe be

768
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,960
if um bit by bit you know we

769
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,640
we got a little bit more information

770
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,000
from the government and a little bit

771
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:12,320
more you know and it's an interesting

772
00:33:15,870 --> 00:33:13,360
theory but

773
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:15,880
either you know it's an incredible

774
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,159
coincidence you know this face on

775
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:20,399
mars and the other face on mars you know

776
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:21,360
it's it's either

777
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,399
an incredible um

778
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,039
you know sort of um situation that you

779
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:28,799
just would not think would happen

780
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:32,159
but uh the fact is it did happen you

781
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:33,200
know it sort of

782
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:36,840
um preempted things for you know 20

783
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:43,269
talking about the operation paperclip

784
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:46,559
and these um the german scientists that

785
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:50,240
the united states actually brought back

786
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:53,600
and you know got involved in nasa

787
00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:57,840
do you believe that the nazis or

788
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:01,080
the third rank really had some

789
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:05,120
inside track on other civilizations and

790
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:14,230
sorry what the nazis what say that again

791
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:17,359
if they had some inch inside track

792
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,720
of alien technology or if they had

793
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:22,159
actually

794
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:25,599
gotten in contact with these these

795
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,069
well i mean i've heard these stories uh

796
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:34,320
on many occasions you know when

797
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:37,919
um you know you hear stories uh sort of

798
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,119
nazi technology being used you know back

799
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:43,440
engineered and all this business

800
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:47,520
um you know for me i've never found any

801
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,040
hard evidence of that and

802
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,520
some of the cases i've looked into the

803
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:55,599
people who have made those claims

804
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:58,960
are pro-nazis themselves which isn't a

805
00:35:03,349 --> 00:34:59,680
good thing

806
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:03,359
you know um so

807
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:06,320
but but i mean in terms of um you know

808
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,040
paper clip

809
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:09,680
i mean operation paperclip was a

810
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,640
legitimate

811
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,800
program for people who may not know

812
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:14,560
basically the end of the second world

813
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:15,359
war

814
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:19,040
um the it was clear that you know that

815
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:20,079
the next

816
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:23,680
two the two superpowers would be the us

817
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:27,280
and the soviet union and

818
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:30,400
both sides were of the mindset that

819
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,000
well you know we need to grab detect the

820
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:36,560
nazi technology and the russians said

821
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:37,359
the same

822
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:40,720
so both russia and the us

823
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,560
and the uk were racing to get as much of

824
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:46,960
you know the russian technology but

825
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:49,280
primarily rocket technology that kind of

826
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:50,240
thing

827
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:53,359
um and you know it's one of these

828
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:54,480
situations

829
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,000
where the the big dark side

830
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,800
of our preparation paper clip was that a

831
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:03,280
lot of these german scientists

832
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,400
were given sort of free reign and

833
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:09,359
allowed to move into the united states

834
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:10,560
providing

835
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:13,520
you know they worked for the us and of

836
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:14,079
course

837
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:18,160
um i mean um for example

838
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:21,440
um you know the if you look into the

839
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:24,400
um the history of paper clip like von

840
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,119
braun

841
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,280
for example you know he was brought you

842
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:29,599
know he in the second world war

843
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:32,960
von braun he's one's primary jobs

844
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:36,320
was built it was designing rockets

845
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:39,839
um to have them blast off from

846
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,880
europe and reach the uk and

847
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:45,040
desert their mates you know whole

848
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,560
swathes of the uk

849
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:48,560
and then a couple of years later you

850
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:50,960
know they're they're working for us

851
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,000
which a lot of people back in that time

852
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,839
we're not happy about that and you can

853
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:57,839
easily understand

854
00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:00,800
and uh and the rationale for that was

855
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:01,440
well

856
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:04,160
if we don't get a the russians will get

857
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:04,880
them

858
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:08,560
um so it's one of these situations

859
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:11,440
where you know it's um as i said it's

860
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:13,280
one of those dark periods

861
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,480
post-war periods um but going back to

862
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:17,760
what you said about

863
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:21,200
um sort of nazi um sources and all that

864
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:22,800
kind of thing

865
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,480
um i i i mean i've read about

866
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,079
things like this and you can actually

867
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:30,000
find um

868
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,839
people who claim to have seen sort of

869
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,040
nazi sources

870
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,440
and you can read about them in the fbi's

871
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:36,640
declassified

872
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:40,079
files however you know i think if there

873
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,200
was anything

874
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,920
significant to this you know we would

875
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:44,960
have

876
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,920
at least found something significant

877
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:49,280
rather than

878
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:52,480
stories and as i said um without saying

879
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:53,040
names

880
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:56,240
i know of people who um

881
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:59,119
you know sort of almost championed the

882
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,240
ideas that the

883
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:02,720
you know the germans could do this you

884
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,000
know well

885
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:06,480
for me nobody should be championing the

886
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:09,520
germans in the second world war you know

887
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,040
um and so

888
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:15,920
you know my view is that you know

889
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:18,000
there's a political angle here

890
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:21,040
you know to try and um

891
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:24,640
you know sort of amplify the nazis even

892
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:26,720
to this day you know that

893
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:29,760
unfortunately there is this still this

894
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,400
you know fascination for them when there

895
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:34,320
shouldn't be any fascination

896
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,710
you have been writing some very

897
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,800
interesting articles over at mysterious

898
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:44,240
universe

899
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:47,359
uh well you've been doing it for a long

900
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:48,720
time quite frankly but

901
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:52,800
i i find some of these uh

902
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,320
these articles about the triangle ufo is

903
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:58,480
pretty intriguing

904
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:02,000
uh it does seem that we're we're seeing

905
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,040
many more of these uh

906
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,160
and that it you know some of the

907
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,320
speculation is that these are most

908
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,079
likely terrestrial

909
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:15,359
as opposed to extraterrestrial what are

910
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:17,040
your thoughts on that do you believe

911
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:17,760
this

912
00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:21,760
military or government

913
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,839
uh program or you know are they actually

914
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,079
here

915
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,240
well that's a good question because this

916
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:32,320
is this gets into really

917
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:35,440
complicated but intriguing areas

918
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,599
um the one of the main reasons for

919
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:42,079
why i have such an interest in the whole

920
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,079
black uh flying triangle

921
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,480
aspect of the ufo phenomenon is because

922
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,920
where i grew up in

923
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,920
central england there are actually a lot

924
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:51,599
of sightings

925
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:55,200
of those um flying triangles

926
00:40:01,630 --> 00:39:58,440
particularly from the early um

927
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:01,640
1990s through to the later part of the

928
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:03,200
1990s

929
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:07,040
and now one of the things you

930
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:09,920
you can make a case that well maybe the

931
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,200
flying triangles

932
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,240
are like a next generation

933
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:16,720
sort of secret aircraft you know that's

934
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:17,440
been

935
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,040
designed outside of area 51 or whatever

936
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,119
and the reason why you could make that

937
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:25,680
case is because you know if you look at

938
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:26,480
the

939
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:34,319
color

940
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:36,319
so you could make a case that the black

941
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,599
flying triangles

942
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:40,160
which are actually quite similar in

943
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,800
shape

944
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,400
you could make a case that they're the

945
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,079
next generation

946
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:47,200
after the fly after the um

947
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,880
the stealth fighter and the stealth

948
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:50,720
bomber and they're still

949
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,920
hidden away or whatever but what's

950
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:56,079
particularly fascinating and actually

951
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:57,280
talked about this

952
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:00,560
in one of the articles last week um

953
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,040
is that in the um just outside of london

954
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:07,200
we have the the national archives like

955
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:08,720
it's the equivalence of the us

956
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,160
national archives and down at the

957
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:14,400
the uk national archives that's where

958
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:15,359
all the now

959
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:18,720
declassified ufo files are held

960
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,920
and when i was down there um a handful

961
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:23,119
of years ago

962
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:26,880
um i came across um a report

963
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:30,640
from 1965 um

964
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,640
where a guy named jeffrey brown was

965
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:34,720
driving home late one night

966
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:38,000
on the sort of the wilds of the north of

967
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:38,640
england

968
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:42,160
and he said um he saw this like um

969
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:45,920
a squadron of craft that he described as

970
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,720
as triangular and he said they were

971
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,079
giving off

972
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:52,480
like this deep humming noise which was

973
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,440
like um

974
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:55,280
it kind of made him feel a little bit

975
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:56,480
stick

976
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:59,680
um it had lights underneath and rather

977
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:00,480
than having

978
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:04,400
direct angled edges um

979
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:07,599
on the triangle they were rounded now

980
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,560
those angles the rounded corners of the

981
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:12,560
flying triangles

982
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:16,880
excuse me the rounded um edges on the

983
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:20,560
flying triangles the under surface

984
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:23,839
lights the humming noise and the large

985
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:24,560
black

986
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,200
that is identical what jeffrey brown

987
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,280
described in an official government

988
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,520
document in 1965

989
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,960
which you can go to the national

990
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:39,040
archives and not just see but you can

991
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:40,720
hold the document

992
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:43,359
in its in your hands you know just be

993
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,800
careful not to sort of

994
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,079
you know tear them because they're

995
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,480
getting old but that

996
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,000
that is probably one of the most

997
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:53,520
important flying triangle documents

998
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,040
because we can prove that um

999
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,359
black flying triangles with rounded

1000
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:01,680
corners and this humming sound

1001
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:04,960
we can prove that those were being seen

1002
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:08,400
back in the mid 1960s now

1003
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,160
if we were flying them then why

1004
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:14,160
aren't we using them on the battlefield

1005
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:15,200
you know

1006
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,480
why keep them hidden um

1007
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:21,520
and the other angle of course is well

1008
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:24,880
you know if if they aren't

1009
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:27,599
ours then who will whose are they and

1010
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:28,160
then you

1011
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,119
you know you're left with the

1012
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:31,920
extraterrestrial angle um

1013
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,200
but what i can say for sure is that

1014
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,960
from these reports that we have in the

1015
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:38,880
national archives in the uk

1016
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:41,920
we we can say for sure that the

1017
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,040
black flying triangles are not a new

1018
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,920
phenomenon so either you know they're

1019
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,520
extraterrestrial or for some

1020
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:52,079
strange reason the government has them

1021
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:52,960
but doesn't

1022
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:55,599
want to admit it's got them um and that

1023
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,480
in itself

1024
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:59,119
doesn't make sense either so um but the

1025
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:01,040
whole thing is fascinating

1026
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:04,960
you know as to what the flying triangles

1027
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:05,680
are and

1028
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,200
who they belong to yeah and

1029
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,760
uh the reason i bring it up and it

1030
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:12,960
interests me because

1031
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,160
my neck of the woods here in the east uh

1032
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:18,400
you know i used to live near baltimore

1033
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:19,520
near washington

1034
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,880
and for whatever reason there have been

1035
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:23,760
a lot of

1036
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:27,119
large black triangle sightings

1037
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:30,800
by uh people even in the cities i mean

1038
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,440
it it and they just suddenly disappear

1039
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,880
quickly like they're cloaked

1040
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:37,280
and uh now that i'm up here in

1041
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:38,400
pennsylvania

1042
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,960
it's the same thing we you know

1043
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:42,640
especially in the area

1044
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:45,599
you know of the susquehanna valley we

1045
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,079
have been getting numerous reports

1046
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:50,480
of uh these huge black triangle

1047
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:51,680
sightings and

1048
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,520
you know they're brief uh but you know

1049
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:57,599
it makes one wonder if it's it's

1050
00:45:02,829 --> 00:45:00,079
actually some type of uh

1051
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:02,839
government involvement or if it is

1052
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,520
extraterrestrial

1053
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:08,400
well yeah and i mean i mean you as i

1054
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,800
said

1055
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:11,040
you can actually i totally get your

1056
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:12,480
point you know you can

1057
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:15,760
make you know a case that they are

1058
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:18,640
secret planes but then you know when you

1059
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:19,520
look back at

1060
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,640
those reports of 65 in the air you know

1061
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,319
in the archives

1062
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,200
and they described exactly and i don't

1063
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:29,280
mean exactly as the black triangles

1064
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,240
today

1065
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,240
you know you have to think well that was

1066
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:35,040
almost sort of like 60 years ago

1067
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,240
so then forced to almost think well

1068
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,240
they can't be ours you know if they were

1069
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:42,480
flying at 60 years ago

1070
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:45,920
so um and it would be too much of a

1071
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,119
coincidence if

1072
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,760
aliens were building black triangled

1073
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,520
ufos went the same time as

1074
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:54,240
us you know that that's just way too you

1075
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:54,560
know

1076
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,760
impossible um but there's no doubt

1077
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,000
it's a real phenomenon somebody is

1078
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:02,560
flying these incredible craft

1079
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,920
around the world um

1080
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,000
big question is you know who or what are

1081
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:13,670
now you wrote an article uh this this

1082
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:14,319
week

1083
00:46:21,150 --> 00:46:18,720
actually i think it was um about

1084
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:21,160
possible government involvement in

1085
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:22,319
cryptozoology

1086
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:25,520
cryptids and such uh

1087
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:28,480
now you know and i think you're familiar

1088
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:28,800
with

1089
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:32,000
what i went through back in 81 and the

1090
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,680
possible government involvement with the

1091
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,200
sighting i had

1092
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,079
uh do you think this is something that

1093
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:40,480
that is actually true that

1094
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,950
deeply involved with cryptids are

1095
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:49,200
uh you know in other governments as well

1096
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:50,079
i mean

1097
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:53,440
but is this uh is this a actual

1098
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,880
program that's being that's being

1099
00:47:02,630 --> 00:46:59,040
used by you know by the military or the

1100
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:05,349
well yeah as bizarre as it might sound i

1101
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,000
mean

1102
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:09,200
there is data you know in support of

1103
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:10,720
that scenario

1104
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:15,119
um for example when um

1105
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,960
helens welded or erupted in 1980

1106
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:20,960
washington state

1107
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,440
there were rumors almost immediately

1108
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:25,440
that the military had moved in

1109
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,880
because the the bodies um of a number of

1110
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:30,480
bigfoot creatures had been

1111
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:33,760
found and um and they were sending

1112
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,880
in helicopters and and flying them out

1113
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,720
if the bodies were dead or trying to

1114
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,559
save them if they were alive

1115
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,319
now it sounds you know it sounds like

1116
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,240
something straight out of a

1117
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,559
you know sort of a sci-fi movie or

1118
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:47,920
something like that

1119
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:51,359
but um a number of the um

1120
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,559
the guys who were uh claimed to have

1121
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,319
worked out there at the time and

1122
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,640
and found the bodies you know after the

1123
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:00,319
after manson helens

1124
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,680
uh erupted um people were told you know

1125
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:06,000
you don't you won't talk about this now

1126
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,760
of course the big question is

1127
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,160
well if the bigfoot creatures are real

1128
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,480
which i believe they are

1129
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:15,040
um why should there be secrecy

1130
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,480
surrounding them i mean

1131
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,559
you know it's not like there's a secrecy

1132
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:21,200
surrounding bears or mountain lions you

1133
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:22,240
know

1134
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:25,520
why should there be secrecy surrounding

1135
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,000
um bigfoot well one of the theories

1136
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:29,839
relates to the fact that

1137
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:32,960
a number of actually quite a few

1138
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:35,440
numbers of people who seen the big foot

1139
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:36,319
creatures

1140
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,280
have said they quite literally see that

1141
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:41,200
saw these creatures vanish

1142
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,400
in front of them and so sometimes

1143
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,559
they sort of had these strange balls of

1144
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:48,640
light flittering around them

1145
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:51,920
um which clearly puts them in a you know

1146
00:49:07,270 --> 00:48:52,559
a

1147
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,280
is looking into the bigfoot phenomenon

1148
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:09,680
and things like the dog man which is

1149
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,400
this

1150
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,079
thing that sort of superficially

1151
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,720
superficially look kind of looks like

1152
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,800
like what you would call a werewolf you

1153
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:18,960
know these upright wolves that people

1154
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:19,599
described

1155
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:22,720
that have become known as the dog men

1156
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,440
and people have seen them sort of vanish

1157
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:27,280
in the flash of a light as well

1158
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,640
so i think if the government is involved

1159
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,119
and i think they are to some degree i

1160
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:35,520
think they're trying to figure out

1161
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:38,640
the ability how these creatures

1162
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:41,680
can quite literally sort of vanish

1163
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,839
in front of us you know i mean if we

1164
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:45,599
could find a way to do that

1165
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,160
that would be you know the ultimate

1166
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:50,079
weapon you know jump from one place to

1167
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:51,599
another and to another

1168
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,880
so and but i mean there's other examples

1169
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:56,640
as well for example um

1170
00:50:01,190 --> 00:50:00,400
in the 1960s um the british royal air

1171
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:01,200
force

1172
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:05,280
um got intrigued and um and they used

1173
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:09,040
um high high-res cameras

1174
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:12,880
and film uh camera films etc etc

1175
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,000
um to try and figure out what the loch

1176
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,760
ness monsters might be

1177
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,680
and uh you know when people talk about

1178
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,280
the loch ness monster

1179
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,800
you know it kind of makes it sound like

1180
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:24,480
there's one of them you know just

1181
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:24,880
there's

1182
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:27,760
one for hundreds of years which is just

1183
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,400
not

1184
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,880
possible um so there would have to be

1185
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:32,480
you know if they're flesh and blood

1186
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:33,440
rather than

1187
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:35,839
something supernatural you know they

1188
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,559
would

1189
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:39,599
you know

1190
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:42,800
for there to be like a herd if you like

1191
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:45,760
um but but yeah the the british royal

1192
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:46,559
air force

1193
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:49,920
um got intrigued and you know they use

1194
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:53,040
their sort of high-tech technology

1195
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:56,160
and um and came away

1196
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:00,319
after looking and um and studying

1197
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,839
um high-res pictures etc came to the

1198
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:05,520
conclusion that whatever these

1199
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,800
photographs showed they showed something

1200
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:11,520
of a large mass partially under the

1201
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:12,079
water

1202
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,920
you know um i don't know first time i

1203
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:18,720
went to

1204
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,000
loch ness i was about five as a kid and

1205
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:25,200
um if you go there you know you'll see

1206
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:26,480
how incredibly

1207
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:29,200
huge it is and deep and it's it's easy

1208
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,240
to see

1209
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:33,119
how you know a bunch of creatures could

1210
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:34,160
survive

1211
00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:37,359
um but another good example as well is

1212
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:39,240
that if you go back to

1213
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:41,920
1967 and point players in

1214
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:45,119
west virginia when you had the um

1215
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:49,359
the mothman sightings well no time after

1216
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,720
the mothman was seen um you had the men

1217
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,240
in black roaming around

1218
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:56,880
point pleasant and warning people not to

1219
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:58,800
talk about their encounters or

1220
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:01,839
sightings of mothman so

1221
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:04,319
yeah you can actually make a good strong

1222
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:05,200
case

1223
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,079
um you know that there is a connection

1224
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:10,480
between these so-called cryptid

1225
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:13,520
creatures um and

1226
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:18,079
um and government agencies

1227
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:21,599
well i i think anybody that uh

1228
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:25,440
research is researches uh

1229
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:28,880
uh the paranormal supernatural you know

1230
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,400
the cryptids you know

1231
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:34,800
after all the time that that is you we

1232
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:35,599
have done it

1233
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:38,240
we have actually had to keep more of an

1234
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:40,640
open mind as time went on because

1235
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,800
uh you know it does seem that there are

1236
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:46,720
some type of government involvement with

1237
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,549
well yeah you're right and i think the

1238
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,960
one person who's demonstrated that

1239
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:56,800
more than any other is a good friend of

1240
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:58,400
mine stan gordon

1241
00:53:03,630 --> 00:53:01,280
you know stan um works out of um

1242
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,640
pennsylvania and he's done a lot of

1243
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:05,839
research

1244
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,839
into the weirdest side of bigfoot you

1245
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:09,599
know a lot of a lot of people

1246
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:12,559
in the crypto field you know they just

1247
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,000
want to focus on the idea

1248
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:16,800
that you know the big creatures are are

1249
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,200
just

1250
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:19,599
unknown apes you know like the the

1251
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,680
american equivalent of like a

1252
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:24,480
of a gorilla that kind of thing but i

1253
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:25,760
think there is enough

1254
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:28,559
data to suggest that there's more to

1255
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:30,000
bigfoot

1256
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:33,359
than than just that and um

1257
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:35,920
as i said with stan i mean he's

1258
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:36,880
collected

1259
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,440
a huge amount of material where

1260
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:41,599
anomalous of events have occurred

1261
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,880
you know like the creatures have

1262
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:44,960
vanished under these weird lights in the

1263
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,240
sky

1264
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:49,200
and um so i think there's something

1265
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:50,000
weird

1266
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:55,520
that meets the eye i don't think these

1267
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:56,720
creatures are just

1268
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:00,240
as i said um the equivalent of um

1269
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:02,880
african gorillas there's something more

1270
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:04,240
of a supernatural

1271
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,359
aspect to them i think

1272
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:10,400
yeah i talked to stan regularly we we

1273
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:10,880
kind of

1274
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,720
uh uh cross-reference cases together if

1275
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,000
i get something he's

1276
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,040
i sent to him and vice versa and

1277
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,680
quite frankly you know everything that

1278
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,119
we have seen

1279
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,680
at least over the past decade but even

1280
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:27,119
longer of course

1281
00:54:34,910 --> 00:54:31,040
uh it it does suggest that

1282
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:34,920
uh there is some type of possible

1283
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:37,839
extraterrestrial ufo or other phenom

1284
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:40,880
other type of uh anomalous activity

1285
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:43,440
connected with bigfoot i mean you know

1286
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,480
i i'm convinced by it and um

1287
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,160
you know stan has been talking about

1288
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,240
that for a long time now

1289
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:53,280
uh even going back to the 73 flap

1290
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,640
where you know these these these bigfoot

1291
00:55:02,710 --> 00:54:58,480
were associated with ufo

1292
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,720
activity so yeah um

1293
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:05,040
you know it and it kind of preached into

1294
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,160
the choir there

1295
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,880
uh you know when you live around here in

1296
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:10,559
pennsylvania you kind of do

1297
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:13,359
kind of hear a whole lot of strange

1298
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,400
things

1299
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:16,880
and uh i think that goes for a lot of

1300
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:17,760
other cryptid

1301
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,640
beings as well because you know we've

1302
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,880
got upright canines and winged humanoids

1303
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:24,400
in the whole nine yards here

1304
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:28,720
also and uh you know many of us

1305
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:30,799
that are involved with this these

1306
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:31,760
phenomena here in

1307
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:34,160
pennsylvania you know when we get

1308
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:35,680
together and talk about it it's kind of

1309
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:36,000
like

1310
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:37,839
yeah you know there's something going on

1311
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,549
yeah and i think you know for me um

1312
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:46,720
you know when you look at the issue of

1313
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,520
the origin or what these things are

1314
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:50,880
you know i sometimes think they're not

1315
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:53,359
so much extraterrestrial but sort of

1316
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:57,040
inter-dimensional or multi-dimensional

1317
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,920
the reason i say that is because these

1318
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:01,040
things you know that

1319
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,960
if they were just regular animals we'd

1320
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:04,240
have found them by now

1321
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:07,280
i mean for example you know i could

1322
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,040
easily understand how

1323
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:11,040
we might not have found a bigfoot if

1324
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:12,960
they were just the size of a squirrel

1325
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:15,680
you know but we're talking about these

1326
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:16,960
creatures being seen

1327
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:19,280
all across the united states and they're

1328
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:20,240
like

1329
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:23,440
seven feet tall and we can't even catch

1330
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,240
one

1331
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:27,040
now how that that's just not possible

1332
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:27,440
and

1333
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:30,559
so my view is that the reason why they

1334
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:34,319
are so incredibly elusive

1335
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:37,200
is probably because they they're not

1336
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,119
hiding i think they literally are sort

1337
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:41,760
of flitting into a different reality

1338
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:44,960
you know a different dimension you know

1339
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,160
and uh

1340
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:48,400
and i think that's that could for me

1341
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:49,920
that's the only way

1342
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:52,240
you know in a country the size of the us

1343
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,839
with so many people

1344
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,440
and so many people looking for these

1345
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:57,280
things and they're like seven to eight

1346
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:58,319
feet tall

1347
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:01,440
and we can't even get one you know

1348
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:02,720
there's something wrong

1349
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,000
something's just not right there so uh

1350
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:08,880
that's why i think that they literally

1351
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,960
flit in and out of our reality that's

1352
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:12,240
that's the reason

1353
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:16,160
why we're unable to catch them

1354
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,920
yeah and you know i'm more convinced of

1355
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:19,599
the interdimensional theory

1356
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:23,359
of cryptids uh as well now since

1357
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,160
we you know gotten involved with the uh

1358
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:28,079
the lake michigan wing humanoid

1359
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,280
phenomena

1360
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:31,119
and how these things are the sightings

1361
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,000
are so fleeting that they just seem to

1362
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:37,119
to show up and then

1363
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:40,960
you know quickly disappear and uh

1364
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,680
you know the only thing we can even

1365
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:44,960
remotely

1366
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:48,160
explain it as uh some type of

1367
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,520
interdimensional uh activity

1368
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,839
uh and of course you know then when you

1369
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:55,520
get involved with the other cryptids you

1370
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:56,400
know

1371
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:03,829
and that may also sort of tie in with

1372
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:06,640
the ufo subject you know i mean ufos

1373
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,760
go you know they fleeted out of our

1374
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:12,000
reality that what their one second

1375
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:15,280
gone the next second so maybe a lot of

1376
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,119
this you know is is actually from here

1377
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,680
you know but we just not we don't don't

1378
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:23,520
really understand physics and the

1379
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:24,480
science

1380
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:26,559
around it you know when you think about

1381
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,440
it i mean the sheer size of the universe

1382
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,359
and they we we're expecting to believe

1383
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:33,599
that blind sources and ufos are coming

1384
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:34,400
back and forth

1385
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:38,720
away well maybe they're not

1386
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:41,920
maybe they actually live

1387
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:45,359
in our in our reality uh but in a dif

1388
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:49,200
in a different kind of um frequency

1389
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:52,400
if you like um but we generally see them

1390
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:53,599
when they

1391
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:56,880
you know they wish they wish to be seen

1392
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,319
absolutely well nick you know this hour

1393
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,960
went by very quickly and um

1394
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:04,880
once again you've got this new book

1395
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:10,390
possibly tomorrow i i'm i'm definitely

1396
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,119
going to get it

1397
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,839
and uh if you've got any what do you

1398
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:15,520
have coming up do you have anything

1399
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:17,920
scheduled that may actually be able to

1400
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:18,799
get done

1401
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:21,839
any type of uh uh

1402
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:25,599
online lectures such that are

1403
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:29,119
not going to be affected by the code

1404
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,559
yeah yeah at the uh

1405
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:34,480
at the end of this escape at the end of

1406
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:35,760
um june

1407
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:38,480
i'm speaking at the contact in the

1408
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:39,280
desert

1409
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:41,839
conference which is usually out in

1410
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:42,960
joshua tree

1411
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,440
uh california but because with the whole

1412
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:47,119
virus situation

1413
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:50,160
um it's going to be a virtual conference

1414
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:52,880
um which you know it you don't have the

1415
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:53,440
same

1416
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:55,280
kind of atmosphere but it'll still be

1417
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:56,640
good you know to

1418
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:59,440
um for the particularly for the audience

1419
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,079
you know

1420
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:02,640
um i'm sure that the way it's going to

1421
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work

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you know you can sort of log in and just

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whichever lecture you want to watch you

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know

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thing because rather than just

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sort of um think oh well what are we

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gonna do

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you know let's try and do something for

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for people you know and so we can keep

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the momentum for the and the interest

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uh for the audience and i think people

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hopefully

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will enjoy it you know that and um

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so i think that'll be pretty cool this

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you know a virtual one

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um end of um june contacting the desert

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and um and all being well if things get

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better

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you know with the whole virus thing i'll

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be speaking

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at the mothman festival import in um

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in point pleasant um in

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september of this year but uh but we'll

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see how that goes

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01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:00,799
yeah well nick thanks again for joining

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me this evening it's always good to

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01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:03,920
catch up with you

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and uh you know everything else comes up

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01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:10,559
yeah just you know keep in contact and

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uh

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all right sounds good thanks you take

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now if you have an unexplained encounter

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01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,640
or sighting feel free to contact me

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01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:30,880
through the phantoms of monsters blog

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01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,240
site

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i want to again thank uh nick redford

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for joining me this evening

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and thanks to each and all of you for

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01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:39,599
watching and chatting

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01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,480
it's um if you made a super chat

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donation this evening it's truly

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01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:45,680
appreciated

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uh your support is what makes all this

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01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:49,520
possible

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01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:52,240
please like subscribe and share and

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01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:53,520
until next week

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stay healthy and have a safe and

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01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:06,480
enjoyable weekend good night

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